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Town
of Clay
Approved
Planning Board Minutes
September 10, 2008
The regular meeting of the Planning Board of the Town of Clay, County of Onondaga was held at the Town Hall located at 4401 Route 31, Clay, New York on the 10th day of September, 2008. The meeting was called to order by Chairman Lepkowski at 7:30 PM and upon roll being called, the following were:
PRESENT: Walter Lepkowski
Chairman
Bruce Johnson
Deputy Chairman
Karen Guinup
Member
James Sharpe
Member
John Dougherty
Member
Hal Henty
Member
Allen Kovac
Member
Scott Chatfield
Planning Board Attorney
Ron DeTota
C&S Engineers
David Balcer
Town Planner
Mark Territo
Commissioner of Planning and
Development
ABSENT: Jill Hageman-Clark
Planning Board Secretary
Minutes of Previous Meeting
A motion was made by Bruce Johnson, seconded by James Sharpe to approve the minutes of the previous meeting.
Motion Passed 6-0
Public Hearings:
(Allen Kovac took his seat at 7:35)
2008-7-3 West Taft Road Associates (3) Preliminary Plat, 4820 W. Taft Rd.
Anthony D’Elia of Green & Seifter associates was present for the applicant.
Mr. D’Elia stated that he was in attendance on behalf of W. Taft Rd. associates, and that the most recent update on this project found that the on-site detention pond is part of a Federal Wetland. Because of this, there is a potential that the lot line will need to be re-drawn.
Mr. D’Elia also stated that ⅔ of the parcel to be subdivided is unusable, and there are no plans to use the land.
It was noted that we will need a revised preliminary plat and an amended site plan should this subdivision take place.
The chairman stated that the County had no comment, but any future development would need a traffic study.
The applicant stated that everything would be changing once they know where the detention pond will be located. There were no further questions from the Board or the public.
The chairman stated that he would leave the public hearing open and asked for a motion to adjourn.
A motion was made by John Dougherty, seconded by Hal Henty to adjourn to 9/24/2008.
Motion Passed 7-0
2007-4-1 Prime Management, Attn: Dean DeVito (3) Site Plan, located between Route 31 and Mendenhall Dr. on the northeast side of Oswego Rd. (Rte. 57)(Adjourned from 13 previous meetings)
Julian Clark of Plumley Engineering was present for the applicant. Julian updated the Board on the changes that have been made since the last meeting which include: the addition of a tree to the island, to landscape the island, adjustments to the lighting which reduced the foot-candles, and making the double heads into single heads. They also took out a few of the extra lights. It will be up to the contractor to build the plan to specs, if it becomes an issue than it will be up to the Town to enforce it.
The Chairman compared the current proposal to the previous and it looked like the changes were made as requested by the Board. It was stated that signs were removed from the Site Plan and the applicant will come back at a later time to present signage to the Board.
Town Planner David Balcer stated that we will need an updated Site Plan, since the current one submitted was not labeled correctly. Mr. Clark stated that he updated the changes on the landscaping plan.
Nearby resident Sandra Hall stated that where the proposed drainage coming out to the south will be close to where her water line connects to her house and is concerned about this. Mr. Clark stated that there is room to adjust the grading on the swale if necessary. Town Engineer Ron DeTota stated that they will be alert to the situation and make sure that it is done correctly.
Hearing no further questions or comments, the Chairman closed the public hearing.
A motion was made by John Dougherty, seconded by James Sharpe, to adopt a resolution using standard form #10 that the Site Plan proposed by Prime Management for the property located between Route 31 and Mendenhall Dr. on the northeast side of Oswego Rd be declared a negative declaration as there appears to be no traffic, drainage or environmental impact which could not be mitigated and does involve any other agencies including the Federal Government.
Motion Passed 7-0
A motion was made by John Dougherty, seconded by Allen Kovac using standard form # 20 granting Site Plan Approval to Prime Management for the property between Route 31 and Mendenhall Dr. on the northeast side of Oswego Rd based on a map by Plumley Engineering drawing # 2007023 as revised August 21, 2008 (Site Plan) and September 2008 (Lighting Plan) and August 8, 2008 (Erosion and Sediment Control Plan)and August 8, 2008 (Paving Plan), with an additional correction that one light pole on the southeast corner of the bank was removed on the Lighting Plan must also be removed on the Site Plan, and the following conditions:
1. The light post must be deleted from the Site Plan as above mentioned
2. Signage will be approved at a later application.
3. All legal and engineering approvals.
Motion Passed 7-0
2007-4-4 John E. Davis/Davis Ventures LLC, Zone Change Recommendation RA-100 to HC-1, 5064, 5154 & 5170 State Route 31 (Adjourned from 10 previous meetings)
A motion was made by Karen Guinup, seconded by Bruce Johnson, to adjourn the Public Hearing to September 24, 2008.
Motion Passed 7-0
2007-4-6 Richard J. Alt & Donald W. Alt, Zone Change Recommendation RA-100 to HC-1, 5236 & Vacant Land, State Route 31 (Adjourned from 10 previous meetings)
A motion was made by Bruce Johnson, seconded by John Dougherty, to adjourn the Public Hearing to September 24, 2008.
Motion Passed 7-0
2007-8-9 Truax & Hovey (3)- Site Plan 4483 Buckley Rd. (Adjourned from 10 previous meetings)
No one was present for the applicant to present to the Board. The Board directed the Planning staff to contact the applicant.
A motion was made by Karen Guinup, seconded by James Sharpe to adjourn the Public Hearing to October 8, 2008.
Motion Passed 7-0
2007-10-12 Clay Park, LLC, Zone Change Recommendation, RA-100 to HC-1 & R-Apt – NYS Route 31 & Caughdenoy Road (Adjourned from 3 previous meetings)
A motion was made by Karen Guinup, seconded by James Sharpe, to adjourn the Public Hearing to September 24, 2008.
Motion Passed 7-0
2007-12-3 Group One Development, LLC (3) Site Plan, corner of Route 31 & Henry Clay Blvd. (Adjourned from 7 previous meetings)
No one was present for the applicant, Mr. Balcer explained that the ZBA denied the variance and therefore must adjourn the hearing.
A motion was made by Karen Guinup, seconded by John Dougherty, to adjourn the Public Hearing to October 8, 2008.
Motion Passed 7-0
2008-1-1 Rocklyn Cos. (3) Site Plan – 3883 State Route 31 (Adjourned from 1 previous meeting)
Arthur Kanerviko of Rocklyn Companies was present to present the Site Plan to the Board. He presented the revised Site Plan as per engineer comments and stated that it is similar to what was previously approved on the site.
The first issue to be addressed was parking. Art stated that 77 spots are required and 79 are shown. It was asked how parking was calculated, and Art stated that the regulations for retail parking were used, so if a restaurant were to be proposed, the applicant would need to come back before the Board. The Board asked where could they fit more parking, and the applicant stated that they can’t since it is already at capacity.
The next issue was lighting. The lighting that was previously approved, there will be parking lighting and sconce lighting to accent the building. The Planning Chair commented that he has been to the new Dunn Tire site in Camillus and feels it’s a very attractive building. He feels that it is better than this proposal, and the applicant must keep in mind that this is a high visibility spot since you will be able to see the building from all sides. The applicant stated that it is the same proposal as the one in Camillus.
Other details of the building were discussed such as building materials, red brick is proposed with a structural brick on the top portion of the building that will allow for a sign band. The dumpsters in the back will be surrounded in solid, split face mason block; which holds up better than wood. There will be a wire fence with nylon mesh across the front of the surround.
The next topic of lengthy discussion was that of the egress to the site. The Board still feels that this is key, and the potential to make a left turn on to Route 31 should be virtually eliminated. Alternatives were discussed such as a separate egress in and out, and the applicant stated that this would pose a safety problem for internal circulation, and that the State DOT should dictate where access to the site needs to go. The Planning Chair reminded the applicant that the Board previously approved a plan for this site that had a different ingress/egress configuration and he wouldn’t feel comfortable approving this current proposal as presented. The applicant stated that part of the problem with the previous plan was that storm water management was shared so there was more room on the site, now this current proposal must factor in room for stormwater. Further discussion took place about the drive configuration. One idea was that there should be an island that extends back as a divider, but this could cause difficulty for fire/delivery trucks and plows. A traffic engineer must review any changes to this access. The applicant stated that their traffic engineer will be attending the next meeting.
Other items discussed were that the landscaping as presented is sparse. The applicant was also advised that the Saturn dealer has now vacated the property and they should now try to work out an agreement for this site for access. The applicant stated that access still wouldn’t be granted.
A list of needs was generated for the applicant to bring back to the next meeting:
· Landscaping needs must be identified and listed.
· The lighting plan must be made available for the Board members; the Town Engineer has looked at it and stated that it is lacking some data.
· The plan must adjust the throat of the drive to allow for the planting of low-laying trees and landscaping.
Other comments:
Attorney Scott Chatfield stated that parking is based on retail, and a restaurant at this site would not be feasible. The Board made Mr. Chatfield aware that this was discussed earlier in the meeting.
Planning Chair noted that 1 parking spot must come off of the plan as it is not accessible, he also looked at the lighting plan and stated that the foot candles are extremely high.
A discussion took place about the sign information on sheet A-3. The Board decided that at this time they will approve the location only of the sign, and the applicant must come back once they apply for a sign permit as per the sign ordinance. Town resident Russ Mitchell asked the height of the sign and the applicant stated that it is 15’.
A motion was made by James Sharpe, seconded by Allen Kovac, to adjourn the Public Hearing to September 24, 2008.
Motion Passed 7-0
2008-2-2 Cannon Pools (3)- Site Plan, 5210 W. Taft Rd. (Adjourned from 6 previous meetings)
No one was present for the applicant to present to the Board. The Board directed the Planning staff to contact the applicant.
A motion was made by Karen Guinup, seconded by Hal Henty to adjourn the Public Hearing to October 8, 2008.
Motion Passed 7-0
Old Business: Hearings Closed
NONE
New Business:
NONE
ADJOURN MEETING
A motion was made by John Dougherty, seconded by Allen Kovac to adjourn.
Motion Passed 7-0
Meeting adjourned at 9:12 PM.
Respectfully Submitted,
Mark Territo
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